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Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:40 pm**

For anyone that might be waiting for it.

Put your feet up and enjoy the show.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:41 pm**

I think I'll wait for SP 5.1

Posted: **Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:02 am**

Sounds like the time to load 2021 on for me.

Posted: **Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:06 pm**

SOLIDWORKS 2021 SP5.1 coming soon, removing 2021 SP5 from download page this afternoon.

https://r1132100503382-eu1-3dswym.3dexp ... B-p0E3Vj3A

mike miller wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:41 pm I think I'll wait for SP 5.1

SP 5.1 coming out next week.

Posted: **Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:12 pm**

establ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:06 pm SOLIDWORKS 2021 SP5.1 coming soon, removing 2021 SP5 from download page this afternoon.

https://r1132100503382-eu1-3dswym.3dexp ... B-p0E3Vj3A

SP 5.1 coming out next week.

Is @mike miller prescient?

Posted: **Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:02 pm**

mattpeneguy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:12 pm Is @mike miller prescient?

Yes. Any other questions for me?

Posted: **Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:03 pm**

mike miller wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:41 pm I think I'll wait for SP 5.1

Good idea. https://r1132100503382-eu1-3dswym.3dexp ... B-p0E3Vj3A

Posted: **Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:55 pm**

FFS, I guess I'll delay testing even longer... just like DASSAULT

Posted: **Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:08 pm**

AlexB wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:55 pm FFS, I guess I'll delay testing even longer... just like DASSAULT

DUHSSAULT, maybe?

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:35 am**

mike miller wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:41 pm I think I'll wait for SP 5.1

Classic

Couldn't have said it better. Glad I've been busy and didn't get round to loading it.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:36 am**

Let me know when I should believe them when they tell me they are putting more effort into fixing bugs and improving stability. The fact that both SP4 and SP5 were broke makes me wonder if that is even possible.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:28 am**

SPerman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:36 am Let me know when I should believe them when they tell me they are putting more effort into fixing bugs and improving stability. The fact that both SP4 and SP5 were broke makes me wonder if that is even possible.

I'm not defending them by any means, but it must be difficult to test for every contingency. I remember them trying to make the software more rigid with how it deals with imported geometry...maybe a good goal because as we know if SW has geometry it doesn't like it crashes. But, how do you test every contingency?
There are tools I'm sure they've developed to help automate this, but as the code base grows and grows, the testing I'd guess would have to grow exponentially. Unfortunately, there's little motivation from the bean counters to contribute resources to this vital task...And they've shutdown any talk of that in their top ten, because they consider it handled.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:50 am**

mattpeneguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:28 am I'm not defending them by any means, but it must be difficult to test for every contingency. I remember them trying to make the software more rigid with how it deals with imported geometry...maybe a good goal because as we know if SW has geometry it doesn't like it crashes. But, how do you test every contingency?
There are tools I'm sure they've developed to help automate this, but as the code base grows and grows, the testing I'd guess would have to grow exponentially. Unfortunately, there's little motivation from the bean counters to contribute resources to this vital task...And they've shutdown any talk of that in their top ten, because they consider it handled.

That, right there, is the short sightedness that milks a cash cow dry.

I have no real experience in writing test cases, nothing beyond some CS/SE classes. But that was enough of a taste to realize that thorough testing, from test planning through execution and initiating feedback, can be 1/2 of the total project. That's for stuff not used in high reliability cases such as automated controls, banking or healthcare. Scope and feature creep are bad bad bad, the first step in test planning is a clearly defined and purposeful objective. My perception of the "What's New?!?!?" is a glossed over presentation of good requests turned into fluff features that fit into the existing program with at about a 50% success rate. I was taught, in short, "If you don't know how to test it, then don't write it." When the input variations are unknown then you cannot assume anything, instead of testing to confirm it works, you test for failure. "Fails safely" is a passing result when unknown inputs can be expected.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:56 am**

mattpeneguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:28 am I'm not defending them by any means, but it must be difficult to test for every contingency. I remember them trying to make the software more rigid with how it deals with imported geometry...maybe a good goal because as we know if SW has geometry it doesn't like it crashes. But, how do you test every contingency?
There are tools I'm sure they've developed to help automate this, but as the code base grows and grows, the testing I'd guess would have to grow exponentially. Unfortunately, there's little motivation from the bean counters to contribute resources to this vital task...And they've shutdown any talk of that in their top ten, because they consider it handled.

I understand that is a daunting task. But other software companies do a significantly better job than the solidworks team. It starts at the top level with a philosophy. Success: Don't add a new feature until it is robust. Failure: Throw the new feature in as soon as the GUI is written. We'll worry about making it work on a later release.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:26 am**

SPerman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:56 am I understand that is a daunting task. But other software companies do a significantly better job than the solidworks team. It starts at the top level with a philosophy. Success: Don't add a new feature until it is robust. Failure: Throw the new feature in as soon as the GUI is written. We'll worry about making it work on a later release.

I'm curious how people would rate SW, SE, and IV on a scale of 1 to 10 for stability?

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:33 am**

mattpeneguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:26 am I'm curious how people would rate SW, SE, and IV on a scale of 1 to 10 for stability?

I can honestly say that SE has been way more stable than SWX. I've crashed SE three times since March, at least one of which was user error (opened a file directly from a Windows restore point and attempted to save it there). I've gotten out of the habit of saving every two minutes......

Edit: As far as a 1-10 scale with 10 being rock solid and perfect, I'd probably give SWX a 5 and SE a 7 or 8.

No experience with IV.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:43 am**

mattpeneguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:26 am I'm curious how people would rate SW, SE, and IV on a scale of 1 to 10 for stability?

I can second what @mike miller stated.

I would like to add, that SE has their fair share of 1/2 implemented features. When I first saw "The Missing 5%" thread I had to chuckle because the same thing could exist for SE. I feel that SE failures tend to cause fewer crashes and corrupt files and lost work. It still happens in SE but it's not the norm like seems to be with SW.

Posted: **Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:43 pm**

SPerman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:56 am I understand that is a daunting task. But other software companies do a significantly better job than the solidworks team. It starts at the top level with a philosophy. Success: Don't add a new feature until it is robust. Failure: Throw the new feature in as soon as the GUI is written. We'll worry about making it work on a later release.

Honestly, reminds me of the debacle that is Cyberpunk 2077

Posted: **Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:28 am**

Well, 5.1 showed up this morning. Hopefully they don't pull this right away again.

Posted: **Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:40 am**

AlexB wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:28 am Well, 5.1 showed up this morning. Hopefully they don't pull this right away again.

CAD updates be like:

Posted: **Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:24 am**

btw, for those wanting to do the hotfix.. this is the message... you'll need to uninstall the hotfix to update later.

Posted: **Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:36 am**

zxys001 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:24 am btw, for those wanting to do the hotfix.. this is the message... you'll need to uninstall the hotfix to update later.

Wow... Feels almost like a troll job lol

Posted: **Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:45 am**

AlexLachance wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:36 am Wow... Feels almost like a troll job lol

Posted: **Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:13 pm**

zxys001 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:24 am btw, for those wanting to do the hotfix.. this is the message... you'll need to uninstall the hotfix to update later.

And this is the icing on the troll cake.....

These guys can't win for losing!

Posted: **Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:34 pm**

mike miller wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:13 pm And this is the icing on the troll cake.....

2021-11-04 12_12_04.jpg

These guys can't win for losing!

..wow,.. a Limited Life is such a waste of time?

Posted: **Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:04 pm**

So anyone updated to 5.1? Is it safe? lol

Posted: **Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:31 am**

*trying to bite my tongue so as not to say : "i told you so".

Posted: **Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:36 am**

Lucas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:04 pm So anyone updated to 5.1? Is it safe? lol

..is it safe?... well, let's try!

Posted: **Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:51 am**

zxys001 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:36 am ..is it safe?... well, let's try!

OJ Simpson?

Posted: **Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:02 am**

C'mon guys, Dassault has assured us that they are focused on One and Two, so much so that they've stopped allowing it in the Top Ten List...

Posted: **Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:34 am**

mattpeneguy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:02 am C'mon guys, Dassault has assured us that they are focused on One and Two, so much so that they've stopped allowing it in the Top Ten List...

So the top ten list starts with 3?

Posted: **Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:17 pm**

mike miller wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:51 am OJ Simpson?

hmm?.. maybe the wrong gif for you Mike... here you go. (cough)

Posted: **Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:07 am**

SPerman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:56 am I understand that is a daunting task. But other software companies do a significantly better job than the solidworks team. It starts at the top level with a philosophy. Success: Don't add a new feature until it is robust. Failure: Throw the new feature in as soon as the GUI is written. We'll worry about making it work on a later release.

Two points:
1) The SolidWorks team is under the DS umbrella and I would surmise that this is more deleterious overall.
2) Yes, other companies can put out better, but since SW is a product, it must be compared to products in the same stage of product life.
If I were to guess, I'd say SW is past the hump...it's harvest time.

Posted: **Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:26 pm**

the scary thing of whty i'm still on SW2018 SP5 is that to jump to SW 2021 SP5.1 requires that i Update the License server from Windows Server 2012 to a minimum of 2016, and work doesn't want to, so I stuck in the dark ages here. This is all to do with being able to update PDM standard as well. so it is a pile of work for one guy to do!! So is 2021 really got any big advantages?

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:08 am**

Craig Makarowski wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:26 pm So is 2021 really got any big advantages?

well,.. it's "1" more than 20.

Posted: **Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:17 pm**

But really you would want to look at what's new in 2019/2020/2021. And.... then look at what of 'what's new' actually works properly

The enhanced graphics works (on most cards) on 2020. Don't even think of trying it on 2019!

Posted: **Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:47 am**

I'm on 2020 SP5, and enhanced graphics is still problematic for me. I've tested it with both an Nvidia and AMD, and it has issues with both.

Posted: **Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:20 am**

SPerman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:47 am I'm on 2020 SP5, and enhanced graphics is still problematic for me. I've tested it with both an Nvidia and AMD, and it has issues with both.

I'm using SW 2021, and I have it turned off. It might work with it turned on, but I haven't bothered to check.

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